[oosha]

о! кстати, вопрос по ходу: у голденов кожа нежно-розовая должна быть? Или возможны варианты? Вот смотрю фото Эбигейл - да, нежно-розовая, а в обсуждении на ФБ - голубовато-серая у обсуждаемого "голдена".

Есть взаимосвязь или нет?

[Ирина Мороз]

сейчас Латитака в 7 месяцев такая

[Safari]

За минувшие пару дней несколько раз прозвучали намеки на миксовую природу происхождения тикированных кунов. За последние 2 месяца только что из утюга не звучала фраза "тикинг в кунах от сомалей". При этом ни основатель данной теории, ни ее приверженцы не посчитали нужным пообщаться на данную тему с людьми, которые занимались становлением этого самого тикинга.
Сегодня я написала заводчику по имени David Billingsley (питомник Cloistercoon) с просьбой высказать свое мнение о сомали в тикированных кунах и свое видение происхождения тикированного окраса в нашей породе.
С разрешения Девида выкладываю его ответ:

"There is no Somali. Marla Vales (Marala) started working with cats that were registered and shown as "shaded silver" back in 1977. They were registered as shaded for many generations. The brown/black kittens from those foundation cats were registered as "shaded golden". If you look at pictures of thos old cats, they wed brown ticked tabbies. If you look at Pawpeds for a cat named Bentleys Eartha Kitt, you will find a solid black cat that was sold to Europe. She has one of Marala's "shaded silvers" behind her. She was carrying the ticked gene, but no one knew it because she was black. She is the source of many of the ticked cats from Europe.

Cats that are ticked from my cats come from a different source. I bought 2 females in 1996 from Kittyup Cattery. There father was aredsilver shaded. One of his daughters was registered as a shaded, but the other girl had leg markings and tabby on her face so I registered her as a red silver classic. We didn't know about ticked tabbies back then as they were all called "shaded". Because of the leg markings, I didn't think she was a Good shaded, so she was registered as classic. Her name was Kittyup the Abbess of Cloistercoon. She had a son that was the same color as her, so he was registered as a classic as well. He was bred to a solid blue and they had a smoke tortoiseshell kitten that went to Broadsway Cattery. Her name is Cloistercoon Lullaby of Broadsway. She is the mother of Broadsway Redding. He had no body markings, but he was the first of those lines coming from Kittyup's Texas Ranger that was not silver. By that time I had learned about ticked genetics from the American shorthair breeders, I realized that Redding was carrying ticked, but he was registered as a solid red. He is behind most of the ticked cats in TICA. Kittyup's Texas Ranger's mother was from a cattery called Bryrrhaven. She was registered as a silver mackerel torbie--but she had no markings on her body. Her mother was registered as the same color. There were "shaded" cats in those lines, but no one knew anthing about "ticked" tabbies back then, so they were all registered as shaded, classic, or mackerel. The American shorthair bred has had shaded silver cats for many, many years. If they are bred to classic cats, their babies will be ticked tabbies. Most of the breeders of this color were in New England, close to Maine. It makes sense that the color came in from those cats, since they all live in the same area of the United States. The somali/abyssinian theory is just based on rumor started by the European woman that wrote a paper on the history of the ticked tabby Maine Coon. She NEVER spoke to me, nor did she speak to Marla Vales. Marla is still alive and lives in Florida. Her old lines were OK, but cats from her cattery in recent years are often mixed with Ragdoll. Many pointed kittens have been born from those lines.

This is Kittyup The Abbess of Cloistercoon in 1996. Most (if not all) of the TICA ticked tabbies are her decedents.



Look in Pawpeds under Marala. You will see many shaded cats. They were all ticked tabbies. There is no reason to breed to Somalis."

[fposad]

http://www.mainecoonalley.com/Introduction.htm
много о тикинге

[Olimpian]

Фу, какая невыгодная информация в свете последних событий... если есть керлокуны, должны быть и сомаликуны. ))

Да, в феврале CFA будет решать вопрос относительно тикированного окраса. Посмотрим

[Haybet]

Так, я тут увидела Smoke Tortie Ticked Tabby/White иииии зависла.
Фотку если надо - могу приложить. Не суть. Дым как может быть тиккированным?

[Olimpian]

Неправильно написали окрас, и все тут... она, получается, Silver tortie ticked tabby... Фотку ... можно!

[Haybet]

Да вот не серебруха она. Дым и дым по мне. Хотя скорее всего тиккинг и скрывает, судя по родухе.

[Olimpian]

Ну тут три варианта... либо рожает тикинг от не тикированных, и потому сделан такой вывод. Или муарила тикингом (хотя на такой размалёвке странно), тогда можно только предполагать до потомства, что она - тикированная. Либо один из родителей солид, генетически тикированный, другой - тикированный... опять же, тогда только предполагать... В таком случае пишется по-другому: Smoke Tortie White (genetic ticked)... что-то в этом духе. Просто написали неверно.

[Haybet]

Ну, может и были основания предполагать. Её сестра


Но главное, что я не сошла с ума, и дыма тиккированного не бывает))